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Hi Folks
 
The flat season starts this weekend.
Coats, hats, scarves, gloves  and umbrellas.
Yes British summer time will be upon us soon.
 
I have for you below a couple of snippets about
Saturdays Lincoln at Doncaster.
 
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These I pinched out of Tuesday's and Today's full member messages.
 
The are quite a few researched stats and figures you may be able
to make use of yourself. However I want to zone in on the primary
discussed horse Midnight Gun.
 
Guy first mentioned it to Full members and backed it himself
when 12/1 back on January 29th.
 
On Tuesday he was still happy enough.
Today Friday however he has more doubt.
 
Is he just a flippy floppy can't make his mind up sort of person?
 
"Nope" I say.
 
With major race ante post such stuff is normal.
 
The astute question is not "who is most likely to win"
but "which horse offers value."
 
New facts come to light over time.
Potential runners dwindle down over time.
Sometimes this can be good or bad.
Was the drop out a serious threat or
was it judged strongly opposable and
at too short a price?
 
For handicaps the official rating of drop outs can then
impact weight carried by runners on the day.
 
Going can change from expected.
The draw as well then is a late piece of data.
 
Odds of course fluctuate over time as well.
 
I can see some Texas Holdem Poker analogy to it all.
 
( two secret to you cards in your hand then five shared in the middle turned
first with a group of three at once [ the flop ] then two single card turnovers )
 
Let's say you are dealt two black kings.
That is the only data you have at that point.
A fairly strong hand and worth a raise.
 
Then comes the flop where three middle cards are turned over at once.
Obviously you would like to see another two kings but fair chance you won't.
What if it is two rubbish cards and an ace?
Should one or more of the others be holding a secret card ace, all of a sudden
they are now beating you with a pair of aces.
Possible it is the ace of hearts and the two others are hearts as well.
If so the chance of getting beaten by a flush has also increased.
 
New data that arises over time should very much so be included in your
assessment and decision making. Sticking to an original decision
out of stubbornness irrespective of new available data can be foolish.
 
Anyhow at this point in time Midnight Gun at the January 12/1 looks a good original bet
on the simple numerical grounds of 12/1 is bigger than today's 17/2.
 
Guy will just let it run with his personal cash.
The more risk averse on at 12/1 could of course lay back
to produce a zero risk bet to nothing.
Or even lay back a bit more to produce a guaranteed profit.
 
But perhaps Guy sees the flop went slightly against him
based on his research today into 4 year olds and weight carried
which shines a bit of negative light on Midnight Gun.
In all honesty he would probably have been happier if he were like
99.9% of other punters and was totally blind to such a stat fact.
But he has done the work after weights were recently set and now he sees it.
 
Over To Guy
 
 
 
 
#1 - Comment From Tuesday March 25th
 
 
Saturday March 29th

Doncaster 3.35

Lincoln Handicap


Flat seasons first major handicap

Race statistics are included below


The last 3 Lincolns

Surprise winners 33/1 18/1 28/1
All older horses aged 5 or more  
We are overdue a 4yo winner

Last years renewal unsatisfactory
Field split leaders went too quickly
Ended up with a shock 33/1 winner
Hoping things get back to normal

First looked at this on January 29th

Gave an early provisional selection

MIDNIGHT GUN 12/1

He is one of the biggest threats

If you followed me in betting him
You have done nothing wrong

The Draw is not known
Still two days before declarations
So a lot can change in that time
But happy with how the race looks
Should have a strong opinion in it
Will look again Thursday afternoon




Ante Post Statistics

Saturday March 29th

Doncaster 3.35


Lincoln Handicap (8f)


Horses aged 7 or more
Have a 1-80 record since 1999
That winner came last season

Horses aged 6 or more
Running within 6 weeks
Have a 0-72 record

Horses aged 4
And 11 of the last 18 renewals

Best Profile

4 year old
Seasonal debutant
4-15 career runs
Not absent over 7 months
Not from a 3yo handicap

4yo seasonal debutants
Won 10 races since 1999
They had the following  runs
4 4 7 11 4 14 6 5 15 12 5

4yo seasonal debutants
Won off these official ratings
100 99 100 100 98 107 97 98 97 95

Horses with under 4 career runs
Have a 0-14 record in this race

Go back to the 2000 renewal
Horses with 9st 5lbs or more
Have a worrying 2-72 record
Both came from listed races

21 of the last 23 winners
Came from Class 2-3 races
None came from Class 4-5-6

Horses from Group races
Have a 0-17 record since 1997

Horses from Listed races are 2-61
Those with 9st 8lbs or less are 0-55
Those from 8f or shorter 0-41

Horses that came from 9f or more
Won 9 of the previous 17 renewals
3 came from the Cambridgeshire

17 renewals since 2005
14 of the 17 winners rated 95-105

The last 8 winners were rated
92 107 100 100 99 102 100 100 100

Horses rated under 90
Have a 0-28 record since 2002

Horses absent 239 + days are 0-35
Horses absent  211 + days 0-42 since 2002

The last 6 winners
Were drawn in the following stalls
2 12 10 17 10 15 20 22

Horses drawn 1-2
With over 12 career runs
Have a 1-34 record since 1997
That winner was last season
When the field split in two

Go back to 1999
Horses aged 5 or more
Drawn 16 or higher
Have a 0-108 record

Horses aged 5
Have won 6 renewals since 1997
All 6 winners were drawn 1 to 8
Those drawn 9 or more 0-92

Horses aged 5
With 9st 6lbs or more
Have a 0-15 record so far

Horses aged 5 or more
Coming from Class 3 or lower
Have a weak 1-61 record in this
Those beaten last time out 0-55

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#2 - Friday 28th Follow Up
 
Doncaster 3.35

The Lincoln

6/1 Thunder Run, 7/1 Midnight Gun, 8/1 Native Warrior
12/1 Orandi, 12/1 Lattam, 18/1 Godwinson, 20/1 Whip Cracker
20/1 Ocean Of Dreams, 20/1 Oliver Show, 20/1 Tribal Chief
20/1 Toimy Son, 20/1 Magnum Opus, 20/1 Naepoint
25/1 Old Cock, 25/1 Witch Hunter, 25/1 Galeron, 25/1 Apiarist
25/1 Cicero's Gift, 25/1 Myal, 33/1 Mr Professor, 33/1 Orne
33/1 Thunder Roar, 33/1 Alpha Crucis, 33/1 Promethean,
33/1 Dual Identity, 33/1 Fantastic Fox, 40/1 Great Chieftain
40/1 Sean

Did the race yesterday

Backed a horse in January

MIGNIGHT GUN 12/1

If you had asked me
A few days ago about the race
Looking at the issues within it
I would have preferred the 4yo's

Mignight Gun was my number 1

Thunder Run the potential saver

But things have changed a little

Both horses have been damaged
By the weights going up too much


Midnight Gun has 9st 11lbs
Thunder Gun has 9st 10lbs

Back in 2004

Babodana won with 9st 10lbs
But that was 21 years ago now

4 year olds in similar races
Since then have struggled
When trying the same thing

Since 2005

Class 2 handicaps
With over 11 runners
Any distance
Any time of year

Horses aged 4
Over 4 career races
Absent over 84 days
Carrying 9st 10lbs or more
Return a 0-65 record

MIGNIGHT GUN has this profile
THUNDER GUN has this profile

The significance of the statistic
This applies over every distance
And at any time of the season too

So gone a bit cold on both horses

Going to let my own 12/1 bet run
But neither look potential selections
Things can always change very late
But that statistic has spooked me

Unlikely to be an account bet race


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Best of luck
Mick
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www.mathematician-betting.co.uk

 

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